There aren't really any pros or cons to either. If I had it to do over again, I would do something else. For me, the answer is no. Why take huge liability / risk with signing plans to just get paid less than jobs that require no degree? Companies like McKinsey, Boston Consultjng Group, Bain, Deloitte, Accenture, PwC, etc all hire industry folks for lots of $$. A construction engineer can work as a construction project manager, a construction manager, or … Some civil programs used to not have a separate Environmental degree and employers know that. This is what I recommend to almost everyone thinking about studying environmental engineering. August 2010. People worry too much about what others are getting. You can't buy wellness and you can't buy time. her job searches have been painful and demoralizing. The Civil will open up all of the different doors to you, including Environmental. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Curriculum-Civil engineering diploma is designed in a way that student gets both theoretical and practical knowledge about the subject in focus.Diploma courses focuses more … Its more versatile plus a lot of programs have an option to specialize/focus in environmental anyway. Don't let it get to you. The military is also an option. I wouldn't fret. I served in Honduras 15 years ago in water systems and there were plenty of people that majored in structural engineering there with me (i took more environmental egr for my civil egr degree). AskEngineers is a forum for questions about the technologies, standards, and processes used to design & build these systems, as well as for questions about the engineering profession and its many disciplines. I just looked on Indeed.com for my state (PA) and there is only one page of jobs there specifically looking for an Environmental Engineer. University of Waterloo. I also take great pride in my work, I love knowing that my work truly matters to society and directly affects it. I would seriously appreciate your insight on this. I am applying to around 15 colleges in the next 48 hours. The key is networking. For me it’s more than just money. The other part is (based on your age and my assumption your friends you are comparing yourself with) is that you haven't had to weather a major economic recession. I couldn't imagine having to get up every day to go work a job that I hate and still not get paid enough to make ends meet. With civil engineering, you may get too caught up with the other departments like structural, construction, transportation, and hydro. From algebra, trigonometry, geometry, calculus, probability, statistics, and even engineering economy, mathematics is central in the field of civil engineering. I advise any students who ask me for advice to choose something else. As a civil engineer, I say go environmental engineering B.S. I've worked my ass off in college and even after college. exam to take. I ended up in gov't doing environmental policy and love it (now I'm back in private doing climate policy now but I got my policy start in govt). 43.471468-80.544205. Environmental engineering is actually a subarea within the larger field of civil engineering, which happens to be among the oldest and broadest engineering disciplines. Keep your head up, Engineers do valuable work that most people can't do. Personally, I love what I do for many reasons and I have no regrets over my career choice. I am motivated purely by passion, but I have to consider my future still. You can qualify as an experienced professional/technical professional. The secondary area electives could be selected to achieve this goal. Deadline: December 1. We have plenty of disposable income to go out whenever we want and travel. This involves finding solutions to many problems faced by society while staying within the limits of … Support Waterloo Engineering. I’ve worked on airports and bridges, used every day by thousands of people. My university converted it's chem eng program into enviro eng so it was more processed than civil based. For example, I know someone (same age about 30) with no degree and works as a recruiter and makes 100k+ and works normal 40 hour weeks. Isn't that based on competition though? They love to get Civil Engineers of any discipline. But I’m not concerned with the fact others are making more than me, I’m not in competition with my friends and family, I’m happy they’re doing well. I feel the same as you do, and funny I am around the same age and mainly doing alignment/roadway design too. she manages a testing team for mechanical/chemical type work in natural gas power plants. Fee: $75.00. I always wanted to be an environmental engineer but I have people telling me that civil engineering is much more marketable. Middle management required useless paperwork genersucks any remaining enjoyment that might have been possible out of work. I’ve been out there a few times and just going out to eat costs twice as much as it does where I live, and I live in the northeast US. Contact the Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering. Id even argue that with all the new laws and standards, there is a rising demand for environmental engineers. To me, its just luck or inequality in one field or another.....probably hundreds of years ago our civil engineering skill set would make us important people, where as now people who can code apps or develop AI programs are the money maker. And I've got a team I don't hate working with. You'll be working harder but the pay will be better (so I've heard. she really wanted to do air quality but as another poster pointed out, there are very few openings and in the US youre pretty limited geographically for an enviro, whereas civils can find work anywhere. I can afford rent for a nice apartment in a fun city, I go out and have fun when I want, and am able put money into savings. My current plan is to keep living in this hell hole until my student loans are paid off, and either my house is paid off or I have enough savings to buy a house somewhere, then find some low/no effort municipal or state job to kill time in until I die or can collect whatever is left of social security by then. Damn man. An environmental engineering degree will seperate you from the other civil applicants. You have a good lens into what would be required and it could give you the challenge you are looking for. As long as I can do that, I’m fine. Could I be making more doing something else? The Environmental concentration people took a few chemistry classes but it was mostly a Civil Engineering degree with some Chemical analysis and environmental protection added in. But it's not long (~10-15 years) until they realize that those are two things you can't really get with money. Keep in mind that those fields have very limited job openings (especially air resources) due to the greater specialization. It’s not for everyone, and you do need a network, but you sound like a good candidate. As a result, studying civil engineering allows for a broader and more versatile education than studying just one specialization within the discipline. It's just not a good long term plan. Agree on the California market. I believe you will only take 1 or 2 waste water classes in civil engineering which is probably the closest to environmental engineering in that curriculum. PhD in Civil & Environmental Engineering with a transcript designation of Atmosphere/Energy; Environmental Engineering. I have multiple Environmental Engineers telling me to never go Enviro and multiple multiple Environmental Engineers telling me to get the degree. Another friend (same age about 30) I know makes 120k+ with a business degree and slaves pretty good but doesn't need a license to perform his work or even an MBA. If you're interested in either of those fields studying EnvE might be a good choice. I ahve a B.E. I have delivered several full PS and E packages for construction in excess of 2 million dollars. Master of Science in Civil Engineering, University of Connecticut, 2003 Bachelor of Civil Engineering (graduated with highest honors), Georgia Institute of Technology, 1997 Dr. Kari Edison Watkins, P.E., is the Frederick Law Olmsted Associate Professor in the School of Civil and Environmental Engineering at the Georgia Institute of Technology. Application Link: Apply here. If you like the work and you're comfortable, and you don't think that the amount of work that you're putting in is acceptable relative to your paycheck, you have two choices, you can either pull back and enjoy life more or you can push through and either start your own company or continue as is. Application Opens: October 15. Don't get caught in the disaster/recovery boom human-trap that is Houston. There is no shortage of work but the demand is not evenly spread out geographically. Totally agree, start small with your current contacts in your community. Take a look at the following websites for descriptions of the two fields: So what drives people to stay in Civil Engineering at this point? I love biology and the environment but I have been told that a Biology degree is essentially useless in my situations. Howard University Receives $570K DURIP Grant for Interdisciplinary Research and Education Thu, November 5, 2020. Replies to: civil vs. environmental engineering #1. ken285 3903 replies 30 threads Senior Member. In my previous career I was working 90+ hour weeks consistently and killing myself and my social life for the job, and me and my best girlfriend went back to school at the same time. Currently, I'm torn between civil, environmental and mechanical. Environmental only will close the door to … Civil Engineering is primarily about construction, design, and maintenance of the civil structures, infrastructures, and buildings. My experience: I am a licensed Civil Engineer and (almost licensed as a Land Surveyor, one more 4 hour test) in CA with about 10 years part time experience and 4 years full time experience. Press J to jump to the feed. Degrees: Master of Engineering (MEng) … I hate my job (civil/structural engineer in oil and gas), it has no challenge, no opportunities for professional development, no chance of advancement or any sense of personal pride. I don't want to just work with water. While both civil and environmental engineers design plans, what they are designing varies greatly. I would say go with Civil. Just some things to keep in mind. There is one thing that I am concerned about. Yea, I know guys younger than me making more working in marketing, finance, business, etc. I always thought civil engineering as a whole is lower pay due to the bidding process on jobs. What's being lost on people is that it's a career that is enjoyable, rewarding, and can provide for a comfortable lifestyle. I myself have not started an engineering firm [I'm 26] but am interested in doing so later on in my career). Cookies help us deliver our Services. Civil and Environmental Engineering involves the planning, design, and construction of many of the developments, large and small, that make modern life possible. I personally found that my enviro degree set me apart from the civils who were interested in working in those environmental elements. If my post gets some traction I'll discuss more. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Only you can know which of those will make you happy. At least take pride in that. Unfortunately, as I'm nearing 40, it's too late to switch careers at this point. I'm still a CE student but I'm in my mind 30s after serving in the military for 11 years and did quite a bit of research on pay, etc when I was deciding to make the career leap. With 830 students enrolled in our undergraduate degree programs for architectural, civil, environmental and geological engineering, and 180 students in our graduate programs, we attract curious, innovative and exceptional individuals from Canada and abroad who are Not a great career trajectory or life path. There are tons of oil and gas consultants out there. Civil Engineers. she tells anyone she mentors to do civil and specialize enviro or double major. My biggest piece of advice is not to compare yourself to business majors or those types of industry personnel. If you enjoy the biological content and want to work on limiting the environmental impact side, I would recommend enviro (but I recognize my own biased!). With civil engineering, you may get too caught up with the other departments like structural, construction, transportation, and hydro. Someone works less and gets paid more, so what? As a result, civil and environmental engineers must be creative problem solvers to meet the challenges of the 21st century. You can easily make mid 100s, maybe more. I think what I am seeing is a very uneven distribution of employment in the United States. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I would say studying civil engineering would be the safer bet. Cities? I am fully trained and experienced in roadway design and modeling, structural road design, traffic engineering and modeling, grading and subdivision plans including legals descriptions and sewer and water design, surveying and mapping including right-of-way engineering, topos and ALTAs, storm water prevention pollution plans and WQMP along with hydrology studies and can create full construction documents including PS and E packages and contract documents. I'd personally go for civil for the broader knowledge and broader job prospects (some employers may be prejudice towards non-civils, idk). My husband and I have very little debt and our quality of life is very high, but we also know how to have non-work hobbies and how to have fun. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. A lot of civil industry is somewhat protected from this boom-bust cycle because the ultimate customer is the government. 1. Salaries in real terms are falling as outsourcing increases. I generally work 830-530 and will bill OT if I work longer. There are 18 regular faculty in civil and environmental engineering, with doctorates from internationally recognized programs. Civil engineering: Building and maintaining infrastructure. Jerome F. Hajjar, PhD, PE CDM Smith Professor and Chair. I've worked my ass off in college and even after college. Came here to say this. I'm conflicted. Move to a non-oil funded state and get a job with the state DOT/DEC/WR dept, the pay will be less but so will your cost of living and stress levels. I understand not switching careers at 40... but why not jobs? I’ve worked on buildings that add to the amazing NYC skyline - those things have a tremendous value to me that money can’t buy. So you think I should get my B.S, get employed for a few years, then go back for my Master's Degree in Environmental Engineering? I've spent nights for at least the first 3 years of my career just learning Civil 3D and Microstation just to be an expert at it. I enjoy my work and am happy I’ve stuck with it. Civil engineering programs stress engineering fundamentals, while also teaching skills that are applicable to various careers in the field, such as graphical, written and oral communication skills. The career paths of construction management vs. civil engineering are also different. Study the one that you will enjoy more. Yes, there is a rising demand for Environmental Engineers, but I have seen so many other environmental engineers saying that I should go with Civil so I'm confused. Source: Environmental engineer working in water resources. The Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering (CEE) seeks to understand the world, invent, and innovate with creative design. It will only get harder to get out the longer you wait. Purely anecdotal, but one of my brothers got a Civil Engineering qualification, and my other brother got an Environmental Science degree. I'm graduating with my civil degree soon and this thread is making me really sad. Especially for the liability we take on.... I’m near your age and making about the same base salary. I have fully designed projects from scratch and trained staff in all aspects of Civil engineering. Much more versatility and job availability. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the AskEngineers community. Waterloo Engineering Faculty Openings Provide Website Feedback. I too feel conflicted that our work is important to society, while getting paid less than people who studied business or finance whom mainly just gambles with other's money (sorry that's just my take on the stock market). Also, if you have a passion for it.. it's more about how you market/sell yourself to companies than it is about your degree so you've got that going for you regardless of your choice :). The housing market there is just outrageous for salaries that are pretty close to the same just outside of that state. If you're set on targeting the environment field, go environmental engineer. I am an Environmental Engineer with a Civil & Environmental Engineering degree. Enviro engineer here! I can’t put a price on that. So how did that go exactly? Civil engineering is about the planning, design, construction and operation of facilities essential to modern life, ranging from bridges to transit systems. wife did environmental but has never had an environmental job. But overall I am passionate about the environment not bridges and structures I couldn't care less about that. Is it really lost on us that we're making more than the average FAMILY income? I might make less, but I still live comfortably. I'd to ask you some more questions about civil engineering. That’s like asking what’s the difference between aeronautical engineering and mechanical engineering; they’re related and part of each other. Terms of Enrollment: Fall Term (September) Summer Term (June) for LGO students. If you apply for an environmental engineering job it won't make a big difference. California is expensive a hell. 400 Snell Engineering Center 617.373.2444 617.373.4419 (fax). Job Title Minimum Education Required Median Salary (2019)* Job Growth (2018-2028)* Civil Engineer : Bachelor's degree : $87,060 : 6%: Electrical Engineer I've worked almost every element of enviro - water treatment, wastewater treatment, land remediation, environmental assessments (not air though!). Civil and Environmental Engineering › Research › Environmental Engineering, Sustainability, and Science Environmental Engineering, Sustainability, and Science (EESS) Sustainability addresses the ability of societies to maintain and improve quality of life while preserving both the quality and availability of its natural resources. That being said, environmental engineering is going to give you a head start in certain fields over civil majors (mostly water and air resources/quality). Your location also matters as certain areas have a higher demand for environmental engineers. They will make more money. I'm currently making 90k a year, which is great don't get me wrong, but I just know people who have accomplished a lot less and make quite a bit more. My wife complains that we don’t make more but that’s her problem as she is mostly unhappy with her career. Sure.. but I enjoy going to work every day. Press J to jump to the feed. The typical curriculum for these programs is academically rigorous, and focuses on enabling you to examine the theoretical foundations of engineering and design topics. I would go for the Civil though it's not a huge difference. Your degree and skills are much more hard fought and the average college grad couldn't hack getting an Engineering degree. Your best chance would be to land internships prior to graduation and hopefully secure a job through that. You're in oil and gas, so this is less so in your side of the industry but the Is has an unquenchable thirst for oil, so it will almost always recover. A civil engineering salary goes much further outside of California. The engineer got his dream start days after leaving college, and has moved quickly up the ladder, from apprentice to worker to overseer for a variety of companies, working at airports, docks, trainlines etc. 200 University Avenue West. Hi i am getting ready ( ....for oct 2008 P.E exam)... and i am still undecided as to which P.E. My question to you is....what's it worth. There is just no reasonable break point in another career where I can make as much money from here to retirement. If you end up in resource (mining/oil and gas) you're working remotely. I didn’t get into civil engineering to become a millionaire, but knew I’d live a comfortable life. My understanding is the job outlook for certain areas of civil are better than others. Until we demand the appropriate value for services then we will all continue to have these issues. Civil and Environmental Engineering. University of Waterloo. Civil and Environmental Engineering | John A. Reif, Jr. Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering Many people in the business sector were hit hard during the 08 recession and I imagine that if another one hits soon you're friends making over 100k may be unemployed or have significant hits to their salaries if they are tied to their companies revenue streams. Students who take this course are often drained with numbers mixed with formulas and analysis to solve real world problems. Were they looking for a fuck ton of experience? Look into your local state agency that regulates those areas for student positions. Young people look ahead and only see that they are healthy and have plenty of time. It will make a difference in your coursework, though. Unfortunately I don't think I can pursue a degree with such limited opportunities. I would elaborate more but the tablet I'm typing on sucks and I'm a bit short on time at the moment. Overview. Many of the faculty have extensive practical experience, and all are determined to prepare our students for the challenges of civil and If it truly interests you, I would start specializing now. I have to make this decision very soon cause I waited to the last minute. I always thought Civil dealt with bridge construction and infrastructure. Dr. Nguyen joined the faculty of the Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering in November 2006 where she teaches graduate and undergraduate classes in environmental engineering, with an emphasis on physico-chemical processes for water and wastewater treatments. It may take quite a while to find a job that satisfies you. About the only good thing is they pay overtime, sometimes, if they don't come up with enough bullshit non-billable meetings to fill up my time sheet. and many smallet civil companies that really just need a generic smart person would turn her away for not having a civil. You can always do a grad program in either curriculum if you find out you made the wrong choice. As someone who has both an accounting degree and a civil engineering degree I’ve definitely noticed that engineers do a poor job of driving revenue and actually charging what we are worth. In fact, some programs devote a significant amount of time to hands-on training in material testing, surveying, manual and computer-aided drafting, … However, your job description sounds awesome and unlike any civil engineering position I've seen. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the civilengineering community. I've heard that structural and construction management have been hit hardest. Then, maybe you could go for an MS Environmental Engineering later in your career path! My goal when I was job searching was to find something with excellent health insurance and retirement, and consistent hours. To address some of the greatest challenges of our time, the department uses approaches that range from basic scientific principles to complex engineering design, at scales from the nano to the global. You sound like a great self starter and have a great number of skills outside of your primary job. But I LOVE biology and still want to study it. I really want to work with pollution air control as well as hydraulic sanitation. Welcome to one of the largest and most well-respected civil and environmental engineering departments in Canada. We make plenty to live a comfortable life and support our family. Engineers apply the knowledge of math & science to design and manufacture maintainable systems used to solve specific problems. And what other programs are there really that I could do this with? What about everyone else struggling on minimum wage? I hate my commute, I hate the city I'm living in (Houston) and in general I wish I had made better choices up to this point. 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